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I vaguely recall that there was a non-HyperCard-clone app back in the days that also ran HyperCard XCMDs. A spreadsheet or database of some sort.

Anyone remember what it was? Or even better, have a link? I vaguely remember the sound of the name, it might have been MS Access, but apparently they have something new that's called XCMD, so I can't find any positive proof.

Help?

-- Uli Kusterer
http://stacksmith.com

Was it Userland Frontier? I think they had XCMD support.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Uli Kusterer
<Witness.of.TeachText@[redacted].netwrote:

>
>
> I vaguely recall that there was a non-HyperCard-clone app back in the days
> that also ran HyperCard XCMDs. A spreadsheet or database of some sort.
>
> Anyone remember what it was? Or even better, have a link? I vaguely
> remember the sound of the name, it might have been MS Access, but
> apparently they have something new that's called XCMD, so I can't find any
> positive proof.
>
> Help?
>
> -- Uli Kusterer
> http://stacksmith.com
>
>

On 14 Feb 2014, at 00:29, Ted Howard <tedchoward@[redacted].com wrote:
> Was it Userland Frontier? I think they had XCMD support.

That wasnt what I was thinking of, but a quick google shows that your
e right:

https://github.com/scripting/frontier/blob/master/Common/source/langxcmd.c

Apparently they released the Frontier source code and it contains an implementation of a bunch of XCMD callbacks. :-)

Cool, something I didnt know at all, thanks!

Still, I think there must have been something else...

Cheers,
-- Uli Kusterer
The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere...
http://zathras.de

Hi Uli,

According to Matt Neuburg's "RealBasic: The DefinitiveGuide": HyperCard,
SuperCard, Frontier, 4th Dimension, FoxPro, Director and MacPerl.
http://qery.us/445

I thought there were also externals for Claris Works and Claris
FileMaker, but maybe they were called differently. FileMaker Pro 5 has
XCMD's for sure, but probably nobody has used them. The HyperCard clone
Plus also contains XCMD's.

HyperCard also has XCFN's. I don't remember seeing those in any of the
applications mentioned here, except for SuperCard.

There is also OMO and Authorware IIRC. I don't know if these have
XCMD's, but I can imagine they have.

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On 2/14/2014 00:18, Uli Kusterer wrote:
> I vaguely recall that there was a non-HyperCard-clone app back in the days that also ran HyperCard XCMDs. A spreadsheet or database of some sort.
>
> Anyone remember what it was? Or even better, have a link? I vaguely remember the sound of the name, it might have been MS Access, but apparently they have something new that's called XCMD, so I can't find any positive proof.
>
> Help?
>
> -- Uli Kusterer
> http://stacksmith.com
>
>

On 14 Feb 2014, at 02:05, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille@[redacted].com wrote:
> According to Matt Neuburg's "RealBasic: The DefinitiveGuide": HyperCard,
> SuperCard, Frontier, 4th Dimension, FoxPro, Director and MacPerl.
> http://qery.us/445

FoxPro, that was it, thanks!

> I thought there were also externals for Claris Works and Claris
> FileMaker, but maybe they were called differently.

Claris had an XTND scheme, but I think it was a different protocol than XCMDs.

> FileMaker Pro 5 has
> XCMD's for sure, but probably nobody has used them. The HyperCard clone
> Plus also contains XCMDs.

Plus (the original, not what is sold these days as WinPlus) was the basis for OMO, and actually offered mostly source-code-compatible XCMDs even on Windows.

> HyperCard also has XCFN's. I don't remember seeing those in any of the
> applications mentioned here, except for SuperCard.

I doubt anyone implemented XCMDs without XFCNs. Theyre pretty much the
same, its just how you call them from code that is different. So youd
be leaving out half the native code plugins for no reason if you implemented only XCMDs, not XFCNs.

> There is also OMO and Authorware IIRC. I don't know if these have
> XCMD's, but I can imagine they have.

Dont recall ever hearing of Authorware in the context of XCMDs. I think
that was likely beyond the heyday of XCMDs.

Cheers,
-- Uli Kusterer
The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere...
http://zathras.de

Oracle Media Objects had XCMD support, derinitely! Oracle's OMO architects
even ported Mac OS Handles (Mac OS memory managment) to windows.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Uli Kusterer
<Witness.of.TeachText@[redacted].netwrote:

> On 14 Feb 2014, at 02:05, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille@[redacted].com wrote:
> > According to Matt Neuburg's "RealBasic: The DefinitiveGuide": HyperCard,
> > SuperCard, Frontier, 4th Dimension, FoxPro, Director and MacPerl.
> > http://qery.us/445
>
> FoxPro, that was it, thanks!
>
> > I thought there were also externals for Claris Works and Claris
> > FileMaker, but maybe they were called differently.
>
> Claris had an XTND scheme, but I think it was a different protocol than
> XCMDs.
>
> > FileMaker Pro 5 has
> > XCMD's for sure, but probably nobody has used them. The HyperCard clone
> > Plus also contains XCMD's.
>
> Plus (the original, not what is sold these days as WinPlus) was the basis
> for OMO, and actually offered mostly source-code-compatible XCMDs even on
> Windows.
>
> > HyperCard also has XCFN's. I don't remember seeing those in any of the
> > applications mentioned here, except for SuperCard.
>
> I doubt anyone implemented XCMDs without XFCNs. They're pretty much the
> same, it's just how you call them from code that is different. So you'd be
> leaving out half the native code plugins for no reason if you implemented
> only XCMDs, not XFCNs.
>
> > There is also OMO and Authorware IIRC. I don't know if these have
> > XCMD's, but I can imagine they have.
>
> Don't recall ever hearing of Authorware in the context of XCMDs. I think
> that was likely beyond the heyday of XCMDs.
>
> Cheers,
> -- Uli Kusterer
> "The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere..."
> http://zathras.de
>
>
>
>

XCMDs and XFCNs were used by many Mac OS apps like Prograph 2.0,
SmalltalkAgents, MacForth, early Realbasic versions, Jovis database engine,
also some esoteric apps like PM5 a hypertalk clone to connect macs to any
other operating system on earth ..... etc.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Uli Kusterer <Witness.of.TeachText@[redacted].net> wrote:

>
>
> I vaguely recall that there was a non-HyperCard-clone app back in the days
> that also ran HyperCard XCMDs. A spreadsheet or database of some sort.
>
> Anyone remember what it was? Or even better, have a link? I vaguely
> remember the sound of the name, it might have been MS Access, but
> apparently they have something new that's called XCMD, so I can't find any
> positive proof.
>
> Help?
>
> -- Uli Kusterer
> http://stacksmith.com
>
>



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Uli,

Could it be FullImpact that you are thinking about??

<http://corphist.computerhistory.org/corphist/documents/doc-446636184eb0f.pdf?PHPSESSID=ccd241f9cb2401e294965229511ea94f>;

I owned FullImpact once upon a time... I also remember having a
piece of software that was billed as being able to run HC xcmds,
but that virtually all the ones I tried with it, failed... the
xcmds I was interested in were too HC specific. (However, I can't
remember if this other software I tried was FullImpact or
something else...)

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

On 2/16/14 9:03 PM, Tom Fuerstner wrote:
> XCMDs and XFCNs were used by many Mac OS apps like Prograph 2.0,
> SmalltalkAgents, MacForth, early Realbasic versions, Jovis
> database engine, also some esoteric apps like PM5 a hypertalk
> clone to connect macs to any other operating system on earth
> ..... etc.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Uli Kusterer
> <Witness.of.TeachText@[redacted].net> <mailto:Witness.of.TeachText@[redacted].net> wrote:
>
> __
>
> I vaguely recall that there was a non-HyperCard-clone app
> back in the days that also ran HyperCard XCMDs. A spreadsheet
> or database of some sort.
>
> Anyone remember what it was? Or even better, have a link? I
> vaguely remember the sound of the name, it might have been MS
> Access, but apparently they have something new that's called
> XCMD, so I can't find any positive proof.
>
> Help?
>
> -- Uli Kusterer
> http://stacksmith.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Fuerstner
>
>
>
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On 16 Feb 2014, at 13:03, Tom Fuerstner <i.script@[redacted].com wrote:
> XCMDs and XFCNs were used by many Mac OS apps like Prograph 2.0, SmalltalkAgents, MacForth, early Realbasic versions, Jovis database engine, also some esoteric apps like PM5 a hypertalk clone to connect macs to any other operating system on earth ..... etc.

Do you have any links to descriptions, screenshots, original Readme files or the likes for any of these?

Cheers,
-- Uli Kusterer
The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere...
http://zathras.de

On 17 Feb 2014, at 15:37, Tim Selander <selander@[redacted].attne.jp> wrote:
> Could it be FullImpact that you are thinking about??
>
> <http://corphist.computerhistory.org/corphist/documents/doc-446636184eb0f..pdf?PHPSESSID=ccd241f9cb2401e294965229511ea94f>;

I was actually thinking of FoxPro, which someone else mentioned. The FullImpact article you linked to is interesting, but the plugins are called X
Macro, and explicitly says that theyre only XCMD-like. It is, h
owever, intriguing that XCMDs were so popular that the term was used to explain plug-ins for other applications using that name.

Cheers,
-- Uli Kusterer
The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere...
http://zathras.de

for almost all mentioned products I own the original docs and even the
software. there is not much to be found online these days. is your interest
exclusively bound to XCMDs or is there a broader scopr of interest into
hypertalk, hypercard related "collectibles" ;-) convince me and I'm willing
to hand over my material IRL ( in real world ... )


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Uli Kusterer
<Witness.of.TeachText@[redacted].netwrote:

> On 16 Feb 2014, at 13:03, Tom Fuerstner <i.script@[redacted].com wrote:
> > XCMDs and XFCNs were used by many Mac OS apps like Prograph 2.0,
> SmalltalkAgents, MacForth, early Realbasic versions, Jovis database engine,
> also some esoteric apps like PM5 a hypertalk clone to connect macs to any
> other operating system on earth ..... etc.
>
> Do you have any links to descriptions, screenshots, original Readme files
> or the likes for any of these?
>
> Cheers,
> -- Uli Kusterer
> "The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere..."
> http://zathras.de
>
>
>
>

Well, Id like to put info like that up on HyperCard.org somewhere. I don
t need the actual physical items if youd rather keep them, but Id
be deliriously happy if you could e.g. send me scans of interesting parts, e.g. documentation on using XCMDs with these, any SDKs they may have included, screen shots you can make, that sort of thing.

Cheers,
-- Uli Kusterer
The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere...
http://zathras.de


On 17 Feb 2014, at 17:27, Tom Fuerstner <i.script@[redacted].com wrote:
> for almost all mentioned products I own the original docs and even the software. there is not much to be found online these days. is your interest exclusively bound to XCMDs or is there a broader scopr of interest into hypertalk, hypercard related "collectibles" ;-) convince me and I'm willing to hand over my material IRL ( in real world ... )
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Uli Kusterer <Witness.of.TeachText@[redacted].net wrote:
> On 16 Feb 2014, at 13:03, Tom Fuerstner <i.script@[redacted].com wrote:
> > XCMDs and XFCNs were used by many Mac OS apps like Prograph 2.0, SmalltalkAgents, MacForth, early Realbasic versions, Jovis database engine, also some esoteric apps like PM5 a hypertalk clone to connect macs to any other operating system on earth ..... etc.
>
> Do you have any links to descriptions, screenshots, original Readme filesor the likes for any of these?