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[HC] The Pantechnicon is now online!
(Msg 1 of 4)
andrewferguson500 <andrewferguson500@[redacted].com>
Sunday, 12-Jul-2015 20:28 GMT
Hi everyone,


(Sorry in advance for a long message).


Firstly I apologise for the delay in getting the HyperCard Pantechnicon ready. I had planned to finish it by the end of April, but exams and later a problem with the ‘artefacts’ section delayed progress (more on this problem later on).


Anyway, I am pleased to announce that I have finally managed to create a working PmWiki of the HyperCard Pantechnicon. It is live online at http://pantechnicon.net76.net, and I have also put up a ZIP which contains all the PmWiki installation and files.


A few things to note:

1.) This is not the complete Pantechnicon as it was before it went offline. My method of restoring the Pantechnicon involved downloading all the archived webpages from the Internet Archive, however the Internet Archive did not archive all the pages when the Pantechnicon was online, meaning those pages that were not archived are now lost. However, there is still around 1,000 pages that were successfully archived, and this results in a fairly-complete version.

2.) Most of the images are missing. Sadly, the Internet Archive did not make a very good job of archiving the images, and my method of recreating the Pantechnicon did an even less good job of downloading the ones that were archived.


3.) Some of the PmWiki markup was not generated correctly by my program. For instance, due to various issues text that was both small / bold and red is now only small / bold, without the red. Pretty much everything else should be OK. (I noticed that the link to this yahoo group as well as the HyperCard ADE group on the Community/YahooGroups page have turned out wrong, but I think this is an isolated incident.) If anyone comes across another issue that appears to be not isolated, please let me know and if it is serious enough, I will edit my program, run the conversion process, and reupload the entire wiki again.


The artefacts (downloads) associated with the Pantechnicon are mostly complete thanks to Alain who found the original 'Pantechnicon.sit' which contained them. However many of the description pages (which contain the description, author, etc of the artifact) and listing pages (which contain a list of all the stacks / apps / handlers in a particular category along with a short description of each item) were not archived, preventing access to many of the artifacts. I could see no way to ‘bring back’ these lists and descriptions, so I instead looked for an alternative source of stacks and XCMDs with description files. The AOL-MHC archive that Jacque kindly made available a few years ago seemed to fit the bill, however many of the files used non-standard (to Windows) file names, and the archive was split into two parts, the MHC Library Project, and a Partial AOL backup. A simple LiveCode script solved the filename issue, and a month’s worth of work gave me both the MHC and the AOL files combined together, with almost every file having its own description in a separate text file.


The plan now was to upload these stacks and XCMDs (the AOL/MHC archive only contains stacks and XCMDs) to the Pantechnicon, attempt to get some lists in various categories set-up to link to these newly uploaded artefacts, and then provide a basic list of all the handlers with a link to each one, before this would be finished, giving a mostly-complete Pantechnicon which could then be taken by others (e.g. Alain) and improved upon.


However, just as I was about to begin writing a program to batch-upload these artefacts to the Pantechnicon, I realised that this might not be the best course of action. If I were to upload these artefacts, then Alain (and others) would only be able to work within the pre-defined structure created by PmWiki. However, if I did not upload the artefacts and instead provided the raw artefacts and description text files, it would be easier for Alain (and others) to integrate these into the “new” Pantechnicon, with a structure more appropriate to that of the (approx. 2500) artefacts I have extracted from the AOL/MHC archive. In addition other data from these description files could be preserved to allow features such as searching, etc…


I have therefore decided not to upload these new artefacts, and instead provide a zipped folder (available on the homepage of http://pantechnicon.net76.net ) There is a readme.txt that I have included with this zip, which tries to explain some things and also provides some information about any issues with individual artefacts in the archive. If anyone has and problems / questions regarding these files please let me know.


Now, a few more things before I finish:

Unfortunately another section of the artefacts - the icons - was not included in ‘Pantechnicon.sit’ that Alain provided and as a result none of them appear to be archived. Alain (or anyone else), do you happen to have these icons? (The original folder was named "Icons", and was located in 'Pan/Graphics/Icons').

Another missing folder is the one that contained all the images and screenshots for FreeGUI. Looking at the HTML, this folder originally existed at:http://ufp.uqam.ca/freegui/images . Does anyone have a copy of this folder?

A quick note on the download: there is two versions. pantchnicon-images.zip contains the Pantchnicon with all the images that were captured (not a lot, but a few). These images have been directly hotlinked from the Internet Archive. This is probably the one you want if you want to view the Pantechnicon as best as it can be (it is the same version as on pantechnicon.net76.net). pantechnicon-no-images.zip has been altered so that the paths to the images point to their correct relative locations. This will be useful if the two folders of images mentioned above are located. Both these ZIPs are the entire installation of PmWiki + the Pantechicon files.


These two zips as well as the “Pantechncion AOL/MHC Archive” can be found on the homepage of pantechnicon.net76.net .

Anyway, I hope you have fun looking at the Pantechnicon again. I look forward to seeing what direction this may take in the future (especially with your CMS, Alain!).

Regards,

Andrew
[HC] The Pantechnicon is now online!
(Msg 2 of 4)
DunbarX <DunbarX@[redacted].com>
Sunday, 12-Jul-2015 20:42 GMT
I see this as a labor of love.


My thanks.


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: andrewferguson500@[redacted].com[HyperCard] <HyperCard-Mailing-List>
To: HyperCard <HyperCard-Mailing-List>
Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 4:29 pm
Subject: [HC] The Pantechnicon is now online!







Hi everyone,




(Sorry in advance for a long message).




Firstly I apologise for the delay in getting the HyperCard Pantechnicon ready. I had planned to finish it by the end of April, but exams and later a problem with the ‘artefacts’ section delayed progress (more on this problem later on).




Anyway, I am pleased to announce that I have finally managed to create a working PmWiki of the HyperCard Pantechnicon. It is live online at http://pantechnicon.net76.net, and I have also put up a ZIP which contains all the PmWiki installation and files.




A few things to note:



1.) This is not the complete Pantechnicon as it was before it went offline. My method of restoring the Pantechnicon involved downloading all the archived webpages from the Internet Archive, however the Internet Archive did not archive all the pages when the Pantechnicon was online, meaning those pages that were not archived are now lost. However, there is still around 1,000 pages that were successfully archived, and this results in a fairly-complete version.



2.) Most of the images are missing. Sadly, the Internet Archive did not make a very good job of archiving the images, and my method of recreating the Pantechnicon did an even less good job of downloading the ones that were archived.




3.) Some of the PmWiki markup was not generated correctly by my program. For instance, due to various issues text that was both small / bold and red is now only small / bold, without the red. Pretty much everything else should be OK. (I noticed that the link to this yahoo group as well as the HyperCard ADE group on the Community/YahooGroups page have turned out wrong, but I think this is an isolated incident.) If anyone comes across another issue that appears to be not isolated, please let me know and if it is serious enough, I will edit my program, run the conversion process, and reupload the entire wiki again.




The artefacts (downloads) associated with the Pantechnicon are mostly complete thanks to Alain who found the original 'Pantechnicon.sit' which contained them. However many of the description pages (which contain the description, author, etc of the artifact) and listing pages (which contain a list of all the stacks / apps / handlers in a particular category along with a short description of each item) were not archived, preventing access to many of the artifacts. I could see no way to ‘bring back’ these lists and descriptions, so I instead looked for an alternative source of stacks and XCMDs with description files. The AOL-MHC archive that Jacque kindly made available a few years ago seemed to fit the bill, however many of the files used non-standard (to Windows) file names, and the archive was split into two parts, the MHC Library Project, and a Partial AOL backup. A simple LiveCode script solved the filename issue, and a month’s worth of work gave me both the MHC and the AOL files combined together, with almost every file having its own description in a separate text file.




The plan now was to upload these stacks and XCMDs (the AOL/MHC archive only contains stacks and XCMDs) to the Pantechnicon, attempt to get some lists in various categories set-up to link to these newly uploaded artefacts, and then provide a basic list of all the handlers with a link to each one, before this would be finished, giving a mostly-complete Pantechnicon which could then be taken by others (e.g. Alain) and improved upon.




However, just as I was about to begin writing a program to batch-upload these artefacts to the Pantechnicon, I realised that this might not be the best course of action. If I were to upload these artefacts, then Alain (and others) would only be able to work within the pre-defined structure created by PmWiki. However, if I did not upload the artefacts and instead provided the raw artefacts and description text files, it would be easier for Alain (and others) to integrate these into the “new” Pantechnicon, with a structure more appropriate to that of the (approx. 2500) artefacts I have extracted from the AOL/MHC archive. In addition other data from these description files could be preserved to allow features such as searching, etc…




I have therefore decided not to upload these new artefacts, and instead provide a zipped folder (available on the homepage of http://pantechnicon.net76.net ) There is a readme.txt that I have included with this zip, which tries to explain some things and also provides some information about any issues with individual artefacts in the archive. If anyone has and problems / questions regarding these files please let me know.




Now, a few more things before I finish:



Unfortunately another section of the artefacts - the icons - was not included in ‘Pantechnicon.sit’ that Alain provided and as a result none of them appear to be archived. Alain (or anyone else), do you happen to have these icons? (The original folder was named "Icons", and was located in 'Pan/Graphics/Icons').



Another missing folder is the one that contained all the images and screenshots for FreeGUI. Looking at the HTML, this folder originally existed at:http://ufp.uqam.ca/freegui/images . Does anyone have a copy of this folder?



A quick note on the download: there is two versions. pantchnicon-images.zip contains the Pantchnicon with all the images that were captured (not a lot, but a few). These images have been directly hotlinked from the Internet Archive. This is probably the one you want if you want to view the Pantechnicon as best as it can be (it is the same version as on pantechnicon.net76.net). pantechnicon-no-images.zip has been altered so that the paths to the images point to their correct relative locations. This will be useful if the two folders of images mentioned above are located. Both these ZIPs are the entire installation of PmWiki + the Pantechicon files.




These two zips as well as the “Pantechncion AOL/MHC Archive” can be found on the homepage of pantechnicon.net76.net .



Anyway, I hope you have fun looking at the Pantechnicon again. I look forward to seeing what direction this may take in the future (especially with your CMS, Alain!).



Regards,


Andrew




[HC] The Pantechnicon is now online!
(Msg 3 of 4)
selander <selander@[redacted].jp>
Monday, 13-Jul-2015 10:25 GMT
Not only a labor of love, but very impressive and very, very
nostalgic!

Thank you.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


On 2015/07/13 5:28, andrewferguson500@[redacted].com[HyperCard] wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
> (Sorry in advance for a long message).
>
>
> Firstly I apologise for the delay in getting the HyperCard
> Pantechnicon ready. I had planned to finish it by the end of
> April, but exams and later a problem with the ‘artefacts’
> section delayed progress (more on this problem later on).
>
>
> Anyway, I am pleased to announce that I have finally managed to
> create a working PmWiki of the HyperCard Pantechnicon. It is
> live online at http://pantechnicon.net76.net, and I have also
> put up a ZIP which contains all the PmWiki installation and files.
>
>
> A few things to note:
>
> 1.) This is not the complete Pantechnicon as it was before it
> went offline. My method of restoring the Pantechnicon involved
> downloading all the archived webpages from the Internet
> Archive, however the Internet Archive did not archive all the
> pages when the Pantechnicon was online, meaning those pages
> that were not archived are now lost. However, there is still
> around 1,000 pages that were successfully archived, and this
> results in a fairly-complete version.
>
> 2.) Most of the images are missing. Sadly, the Internet Archive
> did not make a very good job of archiving the images, and my
> method of recreating the Pantechnicon did an even less good job
> of downloading the ones that were archived.
>
>
> 3.) Some of the PmWiki markup was not generated correctly by my
> program. For instance, due to various issues text that was both
> small / bold and red is now only small / bold, without the red.
> Pretty much everything else should be OK. (I noticed that the
> link to this yahoo group as well as the HyperCard ADE group on
> the Community/YahooGroups page have turned out wrong, but I
> think this is an isolated incident.) If anyone comes across
> another issue that appears to be not isolated, please let me
> know and if it is serious enough, I will edit my program, run
> the conversion process, and reupload the entire wiki again.
>
>
> The artefacts (downloads) associated with the Pantechnicon are
> mostly complete thanks to Alain who found the original
> 'Pantechnicon.sit' which contained them. However many of the
> description pages (which contain the description, author, etc
> of the artifact) and listing pages (which contain a list of all
> the stacks / apps / handlers in a particular category along
> with a short description of each item) were not archived,
> preventing access to many of the artifacts. I could see no way
> to ‘bring back’ these lists and descriptions, so I instead
> looked for an alternative source of stacks and XCMDs with
> description files. The AOL-MHC archive that Jacque kindly made
> available a few years ago seemed to fit the bill, however many
> of the files used non-standard (to Windows) file names, and the
> archive was split into two parts, the MHC Library Project, and
> a Partial AOL backup. A simple LiveCode script solved the
> filename issue, and a month’s worth of work gave me both the
> MHC and the AOL files combined together, with almost every file
> having its own description in a separate text file.
>
>
> The plan now was to upload these stacks and XCMDs (the AOL/MHC
> archive only contains stacks and XCMDs) to the Pantechnicon,
> attempt to get some lists in various categories set-up to link
> to these newly uploaded artefacts, and then provide a basic
> list of all the handlers with a link to each one, before this
> would be finished, giving a mostly-complete Pantechnicon which
> could then be taken by others (e.g. Alain) and improved upon.
>
>
> However, just as I was about to begin writing a program to
> batch-upload these artefacts to the Pantechnicon, I realised
> that this might not be the best course of action. If I were to
> upload these artefacts, then Alain (and others) would only be
> able to work within the pre-defined structure created by
> PmWiki. However, if I did not upload the artefacts and instead
> provided the raw artefacts and description text files, it would
> be easier for Alain (and others) to integrate these into the
> “new” Pantechnicon, with a structure more appropriate to that
> of the (approx. 2500) artefacts I have extracted from the
> AOL/MHC archive. In addition other data from these description
> files could be preserved to allow features such as searching, etc…
>
>
> I have therefore decided not to upload these new artefacts, and
> instead provide a zipped folder (available on the homepage of
> http://pantechnicon.net76.net ) There is a readme.txt that I
> have included with this zip, which tries to explain some things
> and also provides some information about any issues with
> individual artefacts in the archive. If anyone has and problems
> / questions regarding these files please let me know.
>
>
> Now, a few more things before I finish:
>
> Unfortunately another section of the artefacts - the icons -
> was not included in ‘Pantechnicon.sit’ that Alain provided and
> as a result none of them appear to be archived. Alain (or
> anyone else), do you happen to have these icons? (The original
> folder was named "Icons", and was located in 'Pan/Graphics/Icons').
>
> Another missing folder is the one that contained all the images
> and screenshots for FreeGUI. Looking at the HTML, this folder
> originally existed at:http://ufp.uqam.ca/freegui/images . Does
> anyone have a copy of this folder?
>
> A quick note on the download: there is two versions.
> pantchnicon-images.zip contains the Pantchnicon with all the
> images that were captured (not a lot, but a few). These images
> have been directly hotlinked from the Internet Archive. This is
> probably the one you want if you want to view the Pantechnicon
> as best as it can be (it is the same version as on
> pantechnicon.net76.net). pantechnicon-no-images.zip has been
> altered so that the paths to the images point to their correct
> relative locations. This will be useful if the two folders of
> images mentioned above are located. Both these ZIPs are the
> entire installation of PmWiki + the Pantechicon files.
>
>
> These two zips as well as the “Pantechncion AOL/MHC Archive”
> can be found on the homepage of pantechnicon.net76.net .
>
> Anyway, I hope you have fun looking at the Pantechnicon again.
> I look forward to seeing what direction this may take in the
> future (especially with your CMS, Alain!).
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
[HC] The Pantechnicon is now online!
(Msg 4 of 4)
jplam <jplam@[redacted].com>
Monday, 13-Jul-2015 16:09 GMT
Andrew,

Wow.
Thank You!


Jim Lambert
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