I wish programmers like Bill Atkinson dominated today's management of OS
development so these philosophies of giving end users more creative power
over their computers had continued to develop and thrive.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:18 AM, Alain Farmer alain_farmer@[redacted].com[HyperCard] <HyperCard-Mailing-List> wrote:
> Hello Tom and y'all,
> I have noticed, more than once, that information technologies seem to be
> headed in a HyperCard-like direction.
> Take noSQL databases, like Mongo for example :
> * they are a collection (stack) of documents (cards).
> * each document/card can contain any field (or any part) that other cards
> don't share.
> HyperCard really-excelled at finding information quickly.
> * this is what Mongo is known-for too.
> * mongo uses linux's blazzingly-fast "find" command, not unlike
> HyperCard's approach.
> It's more-and-more about content and information these days.
> HyperCard was often referred-to as an "information appliance".
> As the web and so-on has become mainstream, 'ordinary' people, aka
> have flooded the field, wishing to accomplish feats like they see on the
> but don't have the time, nor the inclination, to become "computer
> scientists" to do it.
> While they are very-criticized, Interactive Development Environments (IDE)
> appeal to LOTS of people.
> The people criticinzing IDEs, the most, are the programmers of-course, aka
> the priest of the IT temple!
> As many have pointed-out on this list, over the years,
> HyperCard invented the WWW long-before the web surfaced from utter
> Card-fulls of content, with the ability to click on hypertext links to
> associatively GO to referenced cards .. sound familiar?
> As you point-out, Tom: What a pity Hypercard didn't survive till the
> "mobile age".
> Full-blown spreadsheets, and other "serious" software, are not-at-all
> appropriate fo these tiny devices.
> HyperCard's simplicity, one screen-full at a time, single-click ... would
> have been GREAT in our present time.
> If you know me at all, you know :
> * I'm the guy who crafted the MetaCard-based clone of HyperCard, called
> * I'm the guy who was pitching that we should make our own open-source
> Hypercard, called "FreeCard".
> * some of us proposed to program it, in C or in Java, but my suggestion
> was to do it with web-technologies like XML.
> The project has faded, given our lack of consensus, and other factors too,
> but, quite-frankly, I think that the current trends are headed in the
> direction that I proposed:
> * open-source
> * editable source (text), not binary (which is faster but much-harder to
> deal-with than text)
> * non-proprietary
> Scripting is still BIG, and even bigger than it was, back in the late-80's.
> Scripting languages have greatly-elvolved, and devolved, in MANY ways.
> My point, I guess, is that we should make another attempt at it, to create
> The timing is right, the technologies have matured, etc, etc.
> Not a "clone" of HyperCard, this time, as much as I am still endeared to
> We have other horizons now.
> With NodeJS, for example, we can create a full-fledged web-server with one
> line of code.
> Btw, nodejs code can be performed within Livecode & MetaCard, with the
> "shell" function.
> With FreeCard, we would leverage Nodejs, natively!
> One-click virtual-server, as powerful as Apache, scripted with one-line of
> code. Interested?
> Browse a bit on the subject of "Nodejs" ... you will see just how much
> power we can harness.
> Like a pheonix, we can rise from the ashes and soar once again! :-)
> *From:* "Tom Fuerstner i.script@[redacted].com[HyperCard]" <
> *To:* HyperCard-Mailing-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [HC] interesting product video
> Everytime I watch movies like this one or the one regarding Apple's
> knowledge navigator this sad feeling takes over. What a pity Hypercard
> didn't survive till the "mobile age". The idea of cards and stacks feel so
> natural as UI metaphor for touch based devices.
> There is no technical reason that we have to resign a contemporary
> Hypercard. It's all about industrial interest driven by the idea the
> technological companies have to govern us not to mess up our devices.
> From a technology of empowerment to technologies of governance and
> regulation. Sad, sad.
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Colin Holgate coiin@[redacted].net> [HyperCard] <HyperCard-Mailing-List> wrote:
> Thomas Fuerstner
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