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Kudos for your efforts.

Richmond.

Wow!That old-project of mine/ours still has some steam left.I am so-proud!  ;-)

Thank-you so-kindly, Andrew, for grabbing this baton and running with it.As a matter of fact, it may be useful to me, to prove that my RDF work dates back to the Pan.

I have all of the files on a CDROM.PmWiki and the pan's files used to be served by my PowerMac-7600 (pan.uqam.ca).The server software was Mac's built-in server desk-accessory; one click to turn it ON/OFF.
I believe that the links in pmwiki-pan were URLs pointing towards files in pan.uqam.caI will find and make-available these files, probably using Dropbox or something like it.

My PmWiki got cracked at one point; some kind of spam virus.It was deeply rooted because I naively set the permissions of the files to 777 (everybody can edit).So I had to regrettably take it down ... forever, as it turns out..

Btw, I am currently completing a LiveCode-based content management system (CMS),
inspired by:* my extensive wiki experience  (Pantechnicon, etc)
* my work on FreeGUI   (export stacks as XML)* my work on FreeCard  (RDF)* my 5 years of Drupal experience and frustrations
Once you are done resuscitating PmWiki Pantechnicon,
I'd like to import the information into my new CMS.The result will be a Linked-Open-Data version of the Pantechnicon.Linked-Open-Data = XML/RDF data designed for the Semantic-Web, focused on ubiquitous sharing.
Stay in touch,Alain

From: "andrewferguson500@[redacted].com[HyperCard]" <HyperCard-Mailing-List>
To: HyperCard-Mailing-List
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:20 AM
Subject: [HC] Pantechnicon Artifacts Query

  Hi all,
Over the last few months, I have been making some progress with the HyperCard Pantechnicon. I currently have a working PmWiki that is fairly complete, however one thing that I am stumped on is adding the artifacts.
Does anyone know how the artifacts in the original Pantechnicon were handled. Were they just files on a server that were linked from the Pantechnicon? Were they PmWiki uploads? Or were they something else?
If I can find out how the uploads were done, I hope to post an update on my progress with the Pantechnicon soon after.
Andrew

Hi Alain,

Thanks for the info. I should be able to have URL's that link to the artifacts, however I am now looking into the PmWiki uploads system, as this would allow visitors to upload their own stacks.


Regarding sending the artifacts, I may already have them. You sent me some files a while back (pan-wiki.sit, Pantechnicon.sit), and I believe that Pantechnicon.sit already has the artifacts. However, I have not checked to see it it is complete, and if you have a more complete version that would be useful.


One thing to note is that the version of the wiki that I have created is a little outdated, from around 2006. The reason for this is that I looked at the PmWiki files that you sent me, however I was unable to recover them. Instead I downloaded a static-HTML version from the Internet Archive (www.archive.org) and then converted all the HTML pages to PmWiki, then uploaded to a wiki. For some reason the most complete version the Internet Archive has is from 2006.


I am intrigued by your content management system idea, would this be a replacement for the PmWiki or would it exits alongside the PmWiki? (I did not like PmWiki much at the start of this project, around 4/5 moths ago, however now having used it for a while I do quite like it!).


Also, out of curiosity, what version of PowerMac 7600 did you use to host the original wiki (I ask because I have a PowerMac 7600/132). And what OS / PHP version did you use?


Anyway, I will try to figure out the artifacts and get the PmWiki online soon.


Speak soon,
Andrew

> Also, out of curiosity, what version of PowerMac 7600 did you use to host the original wiki>(I ask because I have a PowerMac 7600/132). And what OS / PHP version did you use?
PowerMac 7600/120, if my human-memory serves me well. OS was 8.6.
PHP must have been ... humm ... on a Mac ?... waiting for my brain to access old memories... Aha! .. Now I remember.I had Ubuntu don't-know-what-version, running on a second server, and it had LAMP of-course.
My CMS would replace pmWiki.Another way of looking at this: doing Pantechnicon with something akin to FreeCard. :-)I could rather-easily implement pmwiki's markup language that we could use in an xCard.
Interested in what follows,Alain

From: "andrewferguson500@[redacted].com[HyperCard]" <HyperCard-Mailing-List>
To: HyperCard-Mailing-List
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [HC] Pantechnicon Artifacts Query

  Hi Alain,
Thanks for the info. I should be able to have URL's that link to the artifacts, however I am now looking into the PmWiki uploads system, as this would allow visitors to upload their own stacks.
Regarding sending the artifacts, I may already have them. You sent me some files a while back (pan-wiki.sit, Pantechnicon.sit), and I believe that Pantechnicon.sit already has the artifacts. However, I have not checked to see it it is complete, and if you have a more complete version that would be useful.
One thing to note is that the version of the wiki that I have created is a little outdated, from around 2006. The reason for this is that I looked at the PmWiki files that you sent me, however I was unable to recover them. Instead I downloaded a static-HTML version from the Internet Archive (www.archive.org) and then converted all the HTML pages to PmWiki, then uploaded to a wiki. For some reason the most complete version the Internet Archive has is from 2006.
I am intrigued by your content management system idea, would this be a replacement for the PmWiki or would it exits alongside the PmWiki? (I did not like PmWiki much at the start of this project, around 4/5 moths ago, however now having used it for a while I do quite like it!).
Also, out of curiosity, what version of PowerMac 7600 did you use to host the original wiki (I ask because I have a PowerMac 7600/132). And what OS / PHP version did you use?
Anyway, I will try to figure out the artifacts and get the PmWiki online soon.
Speak soon,Andrew

Hi Alain,

Your CMS does sound interesting. Would it be web-based, or would it require an app to be downloaded (I am not sure what you mean by "something akin to FreeCard", do you mean that the Pantechnicon would exist as a stack-like file on a local disk which retrieved it's contents from a remote server when opened, or am I missing something?).


Anyway, whatever format it will be in, I am glad it will be available again; looking through my mostly-working version, it does seem to contain an astonishing amount of information on HyperCard and its clones. Was this written entirely by you, or was it a community effort?


Andrew

Hi Andrew,
My CMS is a coordinated set of LiveCode stacks (interfaces).My system leverages the filesystem and the command-line (shell).My file-format is XML/RDF, aka Linked Open Data.My CMS can handle these inputs: text, csv, xls, json, htm, xml, rss, eventually pdf too.
My CMS also features bots that leverage the [semantic] web.
The Pantechnicon would be a repository of linked open data.Any suitable web-client will be able to fetch this data, re-use it, with any tools that they wish.One interface will be our Pantechnicon web-site (perhaps a wiki, or something wiki-like).Another interface will be my CMS.
The data is either downloaded on a page-per-page basis, like the www.Or downloaded all-at-once; in which case it can be used offline.Offline changes can be synchronized with the canonical version of the data (by members only)..
It is akin to FreeCard, because:* it's an xCard because it leverages one (Livecode).* it's scriptable with an xTalk (Livecode).* it's free, aka open-source, because I'm using the open-source version of LiveCode.
* it's file-format is XML, which is what I suggested back then, but turned-down in favour of a binary format.
* the XML and JSON allows me to create/store/restore any number of properties, data structures, objects.* I'm also leveraging javascript, AJAX, web-services ... to do things that LiveCode has never done.
The old-Pantechnicon, and this new CMS, were/are both crafted entirely by yours-truly.I did everything I could think of, to make it a community effort, but almost-all of the work was performed by me.I enjoyed doing it though, and I learned a LOT, and some of what I learned and designed is useful to me now.
Stay in touch,Alain

From: "andrewferguson500@[redacted].com[HyperCard]" <HyperCard@yahoogroups..com>
To: HyperCard-Mailing-List
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [HC] Pantechnicon Artifacts Query

  Hi Alain,
Your CMS does sound interesting. Would it be web-based, or would it require an app to be downloaded (I am not sure what you mean by "something akin to FreeCard", do you mean that the Pantechnicon would exist as a stack-like file on a local disk which retrieved it's contents from a remote server when opened, or am I missing something?).
Anyway, whatever format it will be in, I am glad it will be available again; looking through my mostly-working version, it does seem to contain an astonishing amount of information on HyperCard and its clones. Was this written entirely by you, or was it a community effort?
Andrew 

Hi Alain,

Wow! The more I think about it the more impressed / excited I am with your
CMS.

I was hoping to get the PmWiki running by now, so that I could have got it
to you, but I have run into a few delays. I am currently downloading all
the Pantechnicon's files as HTML from the Internet Archive. However, due to
the way the Wayback Machine works, it downloads *many* duplicates (of
50,000 files downloaded, 40,000 were duplicates). I was initially using a
Raspberry Pi for the download, however for unknown reasons the download
kept crashing at around 50,000 files (hence why for my current testing I
only am working with 50,000 files). I switched to running on my Windows 7
desktop computer, and this went well until about 55,000 files, when it
restarted due to automatic updates. I have now installed Lubuntu, and am
using that for the download. Currently it is on approx. 140,000 files.

I plan on leaving the download running until it completes, crashes, or
continues for a long enough time that I assume that it has downloaded
all relevant pages. This may take some time, so if you don't hear anything
for a while, rest assured that progress is still being made.

Andrew

On 8 March 2015 at 01:59, Alain Farmer alain_farmer@[redacted].com[HyperCard] <
HyperCard-Mailing-List> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> My CMS is a coordinated set of LiveCode stacks (interfaces).
> My system leverages the filesystem and the command-line (shell).
> My file-format is XML/RDF, aka Linked Open Data.
> My CMS can handle these inputs: text, csv, xls, json, htm, xml, rss,
> eventually pdf too.
> My CMS also features bots that leverage the [semantic] web.
>
> The Pantechnicon would be a repository of linked open data.
> Any suitable web-client will be able to fetch this data, re-use it, with
> any tools that they wish.
> One interface will be our Pantechnicon web-site (perhaps a wiki, or
> something wiki-like).
> Another interface will be my CMS.
>
> The data is either downloaded on a page-per-page basis, like the www.
> Or downloaded all-at-once; in which case it can be used offline.
> Offline changes can be synchronized with the canonical version of the data
> (by members only).
>
> It is akin to FreeCard, because:
> * it's an xCard because it leverages one (Livecode).
> * it's scriptable with an xTalk (Livecode).
> * it's free, aka open-source, because I'm using the open-source version of
> LiveCode.
> * it's file-format is XML, which is what I suggested back then, but
> turned-down in favour of a binary format.
> * the XML and JSON allows me to create/store/restore any number of
> properties, data structures, objects.
> * I'm also leveraging javascript, AJAX, web-services ... to do things that
> LiveCode has never done.
>
> The old-Pantechnicon, and this new CMS, were/are both crafted entirely by
> yours-truly.
> I did everything I could think of, to make it a community effort, but
> almost-all of the work was performed by me.
> I enjoyed doing it though, and I learned a LOT, and some of what I learned
> and designed is useful to me now.
>
> Stay in touch,
> Alain
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "andrewferguson500@[redacted].com[HyperCard]" <
> HyperCard-Mailing-List>
> *To:* HyperCard-Mailing-List
> *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 7:59 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [HC] Pantechnicon Artifacts Query
>
>
> Hi Alain,
>
> Your CMS does sound interesting. Would it be web-based, or would it
> require an app to be downloaded (I am not sure what you mean by "something
> akin to FreeCard", do you mean that the Pantechnicon would exist as a
> stack-like file on a local disk which retrieved it's contents from a remote
> server when opened, or am I missing something?).
>
> Anyway, whatever format it will be in, I am glad it will be available
> again; looking through my mostly-working version, it does seem to contain
> an astonishing amount of information on HyperCard and its clones. Was this
> written entirely by you, or was it a community effort?
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>